. >> safe to say that we learned about these threats through the nsa program? >> we have some mechanisms where we can track a phone number or an e-mail address that we know is connected to some sort of terrorist threat. and, you know, that information is useful. but, what i've said before, i want to make sure i repeat. and that is, we should be skeptical about the potential encroachments on privacy. none of the revelations show that government has abused these powers, but they're pretty significant powers. and i've been talking to congress and civil libertarians and others about are there additional ways that we can make sure that the people know. no one is listening to your phone call. >> were you surprised that russia granted snowden asylum? >> i was disappointed. because, you know, even though we don't have an extradition treaty with them, traditionally we have tried to respect if there's a law breaker or an alleged law braeaker in their country. we evaluate it and we try to work with them. they didn't do that with us and in some ways it's reflective of some